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the planet's popping Masters Almost sure

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we have a plan there's clearly maybe

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until we've thoroughly tested every last

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a wood degree where would we be without

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Hallelujah Higher Side Chatters this is

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the way from the Sunshine State I'm Greg

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carlwood and what we can know about the

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experiences of those who have high

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either on a routine basis or a random

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the conclusions of experiencers

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wanting to warn us about planetary

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destruction and educate us on their role

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that we're dealing with beings that have

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complex Mastery over space and time as

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and telepathic communication and if that

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thoughts of today's returning guest

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Whitley streber that it might also have

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wide-ranging and varied as they ever

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well I'm sure most people listening are

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very aware of the rich history of

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ongoing experiences Whitley has had with

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these visitors since his book communion

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and its iconic cover achieved legendary

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status way back in 1987

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visitors that I've read in quite some

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in Amazon's occult and Unexplained

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Mysteries category in the book he

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from people with similar and not so

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understanding of being 30 years wiser

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of reflection and Research into whatever

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it is them are you can find more Whitley

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I am psyched to have him back the high

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the SS Dreamland Whitley streber welcome

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back to the higher side man this is a

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real pleasure them is a great read and

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forward by Jacques valet and afterward

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president of Bigelow Aerospace so a lot

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this space coming to bat for you it

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these are the names of people who have

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thing is a lot more complex than just

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definitely alien contact and if you go

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planets they come from and the names of

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the different species and we don't

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the people who are asking more questions

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rather than trying to pontificate the

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end-all be-all answers like yourself and

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that's a beautiful thing and part one of

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them looks at some really wild letters

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experiences and part two is as Mitch

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lies and the political sleight of hand

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the true nature of the data and made an

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impossible in the United States both

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we no one wanted them no one cared at

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but Annie always said keep them Whitley

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keep them they will be important one of

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these days because this is the record of

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contact it is the record of first

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is too young to have beliefs what we

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need are good questions

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world than it is but right now we cling

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the letters are there in the archive at

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rice and I did not pick Ultra strange

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in the media because it it sounds so

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logical people will come up with

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channeled information and Aliens they

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talk to and this species and that

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you realize this may very well have to

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do with aliens and there's something

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true here and the truth is that this is

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the strangest thing that has ever

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what a setup it's like you've done this

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before and big cheers to Anne and her

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perspective and her wisdom and having

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you hold on to these letters because in

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the pre-internet world if you weren't

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gonna hold on to something then it is

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probably gone and I love that these

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letters are 30 years old and written to

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you from people just looking for a

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little solidarity and to have someone

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listen but I wanted to bring up the

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iconic cover and this paragraph about

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the large eyes which tend to be one of

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write that the gigantic eyes of the

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visitors on the cover of communion

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triggered a flood of memories and people

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around the world they also triggered awe

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and fear a question must be asked when

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we look at these eyes are we looking at

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the physical eyes of aliens who have

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naturally evolved in that way or at

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something that has been designed to

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overall us even something that is in

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some way a part of us while it's easy to

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assume that such strange looking

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creatures must be from somewhere else in

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the universe there is not enough

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evidence to close the question in my

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experience coming face to face with one

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of the visitors is almost like

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encountering a living mask and I like

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that phrase living mask but based on

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your own research and experience what do

301
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you think is under it is it even

302
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something they can take off or have

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control of

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well that's the question of course

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what is that

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behind that

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and why does that face why do those big

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eyes trigger something in us because if

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you look back

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over across history

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to the very earliest times the earliest

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Gods when we began to make imagery of

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the Gods about

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around 5000 BC is when it started that

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the eyes tended to be very very

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prominent

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and they were called eye gods in fact by

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some anthropologists or

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paleoanthropologists

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and

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it's because this triggers something in

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us now why does it is it because we have

323
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been hardwired in some way to respond to

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these big eyes or is it something else

325
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I've been face to face with these eyes

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many times and

327
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not in recent years but

328
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oh something seemed to have happened

329
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so I will find a place to stitch that

330
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together but you were talking about the

331
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large eyes and how they seem to invoke

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something in us and that maybe is by

333
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Design

334
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well the thing about the large eyes is

335
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you have to think about

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why would it be

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that they do evoke this in us because

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they certainly do we are very eye

339
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oriented and I think it probably has

340
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something to do with the evolution of

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the brain and the way we are put

342
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together I mean I wouldn't

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completely discount the idea that

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someone

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intervened and designed us or redesigned

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us to be

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sort of susceptible to these eyes

348
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but when you were with the visitors you

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feel

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when the eyes come to you

351
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they come into you it isn't just

352
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someone looking at you it is someone

353
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inside you and it's as if part of you

354
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has gone out of yourself

355
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and is looking into you

356
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and seeing you in ways that you

357
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generally do not

358
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choose to see yourself

359
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it's an incredibly intimate experience

360
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and I've had enough of it which is very

361
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little I've had

362
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I'm talking about a few minutes over an

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entire lifetime but those were very

364
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telling minutes

365
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so

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one of the themes of this book

367
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is to reopen the question

368
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not only of what they are which should

369
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be an open question but of what we are

370
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and how we connect to them because

371
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there's a connection here of some kind

372
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that we don't understand

373
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but at the same time

374
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but it's so absolutely fascinating is

375
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that their minds

376
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and you can see this in the way they

377
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relate to people and the letters or

378
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don't

379
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their minds are constructed structured

380
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very differently from ours

381
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to the extent

382
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that you might say

383
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and I speculate about this in the second

384
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:49,800
part of the book and the part on the

385
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brain

386
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configured differently from ours and

387
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very differently I would expect

388
00:17:03,530 --> 00:17:00,180
and therefore they see the world

389
00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:03,540
differently and this gets back to the

390
00:17:07,309 --> 00:17:05,160
alien issue

391
00:17:09,530 --> 00:17:07,319
are they aliens

392
00:17:13,549 --> 00:17:09,540
but if they are

393
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then I would just bet my bottom dollar

394
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that they

395
00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:18,059
are related to us in ways that are

396
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:20,280
hidden from us that this isn't just

397
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:22,079
somebody from another planet who came

398
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and found us

399
00:17:29,930 --> 00:17:26,280
that this is something so intimately

400
00:17:32,210 --> 00:17:29,940
connected with us that yes a component

401
00:17:36,409 --> 00:17:32,220
of it is physically different from us

402
00:17:40,669 --> 00:17:36,419
but not aliens in the same way that we

403
00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:40,679
think and give you an example of what I

404
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,140
mean when I say a different brain just

405
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:46,080
how profound this is

406
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if we look at Dolphins we know they're

407
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highly intelligent we know they're

408
00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:55,260
almost as intelligent as we are we don't

409
00:17:58,610 --> 00:17:57,000
know whether they are even more

410
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intelligent they may be

411
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,200
are the same we don't know

412
00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:03,360
the reason we don't know all of these

413
00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:05,460
things is very simple

414
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no matter what we do

415
00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:10,200
despite the fact that we've lived on

416
00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:13,020
this Earth with them or

417
00:18:20,090 --> 00:18:16,980
the entire history of our species anyway

418
00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:20,100
we can't know what they're thinking we

419
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cannot know what their language means

420
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we can barely understand and not very

421
00:18:29,810 --> 00:18:27,600
well at all

422
00:18:31,610 --> 00:18:29,820
the hidden language of dogs and cats

423
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that live in our houses with us all the

424
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time

425
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and it's because of the fact that the

426
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whole sensory apparatus and processing

427
00:18:44,570 --> 00:18:41,940
systems are different now

428
00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:44,580
if we can't understand the song of the

429
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dolphin

430
00:18:51,289 --> 00:18:48,960
and we can't understand

431
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,299
put our dogs and cats are trying to say

432
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,280
to us

433
00:18:58,250 --> 00:18:55,679
then how can we expect

434
00:19:01,610 --> 00:18:58,260
that there would be an easy

435
00:19:04,250 --> 00:19:01,620
correspondence between us and these

436
00:19:08,029 --> 00:19:04,260
strange beings and this is why I'm

437
00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:08,039
always so hesitant when someone comes to

438
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:10,020
me to be on my show and to be on

439
00:19:14,690 --> 00:19:12,720
Dreamland and says well I channel the

440
00:19:17,210 --> 00:19:14,700
graves or I channel the Zetas or

441
00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:17,220
something I think to myself

442
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:19,140
I don't know whether or not you're

443
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,880
telling me about your imagination or

444
00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:22,559
something real I can't tell the

445
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:23,400
difference

446
00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:26,880
and we have to take that to heart but

447
00:19:31,610 --> 00:19:29,580
even taking it to heart and especially

448
00:19:35,950 --> 00:19:31,620
perhaps taking it to heart

449
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:35,960
we can begin to really see this whole

450
00:19:39,529 --> 00:19:38,520
experience in a different way in a new

451
00:19:43,549 --> 00:19:39,539
way

452
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:43,559
yes well said it is really hard to even

453
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,280
try to approach unpacking their logic

454
00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:49,919
and the reason for these experiences but

455
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:52,860
one of the best approaches is to go over

456
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:56,400
those commonalities that we see in a

457
00:20:02,029 --> 00:19:59,280
wide range of experiences and many of

458
00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:02,039
those themes are expressed throughout

459
00:20:06,049 --> 00:20:03,660
these letters as you say they weren't

460
00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:06,059
the most bizarre letters they are the

461
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:08,520
most archetypal in a way you got the

462
00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:12,480
large eyes mentioning a bouncy walk

463
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:15,960
skin tight clothing oftentimes silver or

464
00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:18,600
at least uniform across the beans in the

465
00:20:24,830 --> 00:20:22,260
encounter small stature and maybe one

466
00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:24,840
bean that's taller than the rest of them

467
00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:28,140
that people seem to just subconsciously

468
00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:31,020
know that's the leader and telepathy

469
00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:33,960
missing time what would you say are some

470
00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:35,880
of the other reoccurring themes that we

471
00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:37,500
should add to this list

472
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,620
well I think the most consistent

473
00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:42,960
reoccurring theme is failure to

474
00:20:48,049 --> 00:20:44,460
communicate

475
00:20:50,330 --> 00:20:48,059
there is a profound disparity between us

476
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,340
and them and their ability to

477
00:20:54,529 --> 00:20:52,440
communicate with us is

478
00:21:00,529 --> 00:20:54,539
very limited

479
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,539
in fact one of the letters is called

480
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:02,700
visitors in the trees

481
00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:04,919
and this is a story

482
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,299
about a whole family who starting one

483
00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:10,559
evening

484
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with a car turning around in their

485
00:21:17,630 --> 00:21:14,760
driveway

486
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and then the next day slowly escalating

487
00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:22,260
until the whole family was seeing these

488
00:21:30,049 --> 00:21:26,460
beings non-human beings around their

489
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:30,059
property and in their treats

490
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now

491
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:34,080
a simple reading of the letter you would

492
00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:37,260
think oh it was the Grays because that's

493
00:21:41,930 --> 00:21:39,240
what they're most of them that they saw

494
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,940
were described as not all but most and

495
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,919
we now we should think they live in

496
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,880
trees

497
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:47,039
but it's incredibly stupid and

498
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,480
short-sighted

499
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,120
we don't know what they were and whether

500
00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:53,520
or not they live in trees

501
00:21:58,250 --> 00:21:55,260
doesn't matter

502
00:22:00,110 --> 00:21:58,260
but what happened in this experience of

503
00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:00,120
this family

504
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:02,039
and this is something it took me 30

505
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:05,100
years to see I've known that letter for

506
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:06,600
ever since the day it came in because

507
00:22:12,590 --> 00:22:09,360
Ann showed it to me right away

508
00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:12,600
but what I didn't

509
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:15,780
have was all of these years of

510
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,159
experience

511
00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:19,679
trying to understand this

512
00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:23,400
but now I do and I saw a pattern in this

513
00:22:29,169 --> 00:22:27,659
letter that the mother of the family was

514
00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:29,179
chosen

515
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,760
to remember the experience and it was

516
00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:35,100
very carefully

517
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:38,760
doled out to her in little pieces so

518
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,520
that she would remember it and she's

519
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,640
taken on a kind of Journey over this

520
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:46,799
two-day period

521
00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:48,600
from

522
00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:51,780
one level of strangeness to another but

523
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:54,600
carefully in steps because the human

524
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:55,980
mind

525
00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:58,140
will forget

526
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:01,140
High strangeness experiences very

527
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:05,760
quickly and here's why it's because when

528
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:09,659
you see or perceive things hear see feel

529
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:11,400
touch whatever

530
00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:15,960
that your brain can't identify

531
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:19,559
with past references they will quickly

532
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:22,620
either be distorted or forgotten

533
00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:26,039
very quickly in a matter of maybe hours

534
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:28,440
or days or even less

535
00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:32,640
and she was taken and it carefully moved

536
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,700
from one level of strangeness to the

537
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:37,679
next

538
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:41,220
in order that she would not forget

539
00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:43,380
and at the end of it

540
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:44,820
she saw

541
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:48,120
essentially a transformed human being

542
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:50,520
and whether when we're looking at a soul

543
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,700
and its truth or exactly what we were

544
00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:54,720
looking at

545
00:24:00,110 --> 00:23:56,580
I can't say

546
00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:00,120
but it was an incredibly beautiful

547
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,140
sort of crystalline presence

548
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,419
kind of floating in the air

549
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:09,600
very very radically different from what

550
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:10,860
we look like

551
00:24:15,409 --> 00:24:13,320
not a statue of a human being at all but

552
00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:15,419
it's something very different

553
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:20,580
and is this complex message

554
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:22,140
telling us

555
00:24:30,110 --> 00:24:25,740
that they are kind of midwives

556
00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:30,120
to a new Humanity that is going to be so

557
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:32,039
completely different from what we know

558
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,700
now that we can no more recognize it

559
00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:38,280
than a caterpillar can recognize a

560
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:40,260
butterfly

561
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:44,100
yes that is one of the favorites of mine

562
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,380
in the book The Visitors in the trees

563
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:48,240
just to give people a little more

564
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,419
context because when you unpack this it

565
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:53,340
does give it new meaning and you do seem

566
00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:56,580
to have found several aspects of

567
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:58,860
patterns within what seemed like random

568
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:00,600
events but as you say it starts with

569
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:03,059
what they interpret as a car coming up

570
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,179
the driveway later the mother sees a

571
00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:07,919
woman go into their barn and she's

572
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:10,380
carrying a stick and she asks one of the

573
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,600
kids to investigate they don't find

574
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,880
anything they see a guy jumping off

575
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,039
their roof and scurrying off who doesn't

576
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:19,620
look quite human then they start seeing

577
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:23,220
these Grays in their trees and the dad

578
00:25:27,049 --> 00:25:24,900
the kids they're all yelling up to them

579
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:27,059
hey come down come down we won't hurt

580
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:29,580
you like it's not a mistake what they're

581
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,039
seeing and they're all seeing it and

582
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,080
they think that these beans built some

583
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:36,900
kind of platform in their trees

584
00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:39,779
then yes this is where the level jump

585
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,100
happens well I guess there's another

586
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,919
detail that the mother sees one of these

587
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,559
beans that is holding something she

588
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:48,240
interprets as a video recording device

589
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,100
of some kind and she freaks out about

590
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:51,600
that a little bit right and then

591
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:55,260
ultimately it crescendos with this

592
00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:00,179
brilliant Crystal orb being and she sees

593
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:03,240
a pattern in the Crystal and this being

594
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:05,340
that is the same pattern that was on

595
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:08,340
some jewels that I believe one of the

596
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,960
other beans was wearing what's the jewel

597
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,760
connection what's the importance of the

598
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:14,640
complexity of the appendages then that's

599
00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:16,380
very important it was a necklace on one

600
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:18,600
of the ones that looked human right it's

601
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:20,220
a clue that this might be that same

602
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:23,220
being in a different form exactly

603
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:25,740
and it's an evolutionary form it's a

604
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:27,179
Step Beyond

605
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:29,340
where the being was before because the

606
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:32,100
being was a woman wearing a necklace and

607
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:35,760
now the same being is this marvelous

608
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:37,980
crystalline entity

609
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,620
but you know we also need to talk about

610
00:26:45,730 --> 00:26:43,020
something else which is the stresses

611
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:45,740
that are connected with this

612
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,559
contact experiences are very hard on the

613
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:50,880
human body

614
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:53,580
and this woman

615
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,779
and

616
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,120
one of her children were so stressed out

617
00:27:03,350 --> 00:26:59,760
that she ended up in the hospital for

618
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:03,360
eight days on electrolytes because she

619
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,020
was so dehydrated and she had a fever

620
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:09,840
and she was really shaken up by this

621
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:11,580
and the child

622
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:13,799
started grinding her teeth down in the

623
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:14,760
night

624
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,820
so we have to recognize as we go through

625
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:18,720
this

626
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:25,559
you're having what must have been a

627
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:28,020
fascinating extremely strange and rather

628
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:29,820
wonderful experience

629
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:32,220
you're also experiencing tremendous

630
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,220
stress and the reason is

631
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:37,440
that when

632
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:40,440
the perceptual system starts taking in

633
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,679
imagery that it can't process

634
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:45,299
the mind

635
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:49,380
you become very stressed out and your

636
00:27:54,490 --> 00:27:51,179
fight or flight

637
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:54,500
sensibilities or instincts are triggered

638
00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:57,240
and the next thing you know

639
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:00,360
without feeling necessarily consciously

640
00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:01,559
threatened

641
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,960
you are exhausted and in a state of

642
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:08,159
post-traumatic stress

643
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,419
right

644
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:12,000
this is the reality of this type of

645
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:14,820
contact which is to me

646
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,980
almost proof that these letters are real

647
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:18,960
they're not made up

648
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:20,940
anyone who could say that we're made up

649
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:24,240
has got a screw loose in my opinion

650
00:28:32,289 --> 00:28:28,799
but to also can you say

651
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:32,299
that the letters accurately describe

652
00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:35,700
what actually happened and the answer to

653
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,860
that question always has to be the same

654
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:39,600
no

655
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,360
that the hospitalization and the

656
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,520
grinding of teeth means that it was very

657
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:48,720
stressful

658
00:28:56,409 --> 00:28:53,580
but did it take the form that

659
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:56,419
they remember that's an open question

660
00:29:01,370 --> 00:29:00,299
right right so many of the stories have

661
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,380
either

662
00:29:06,769 --> 00:29:03,960
blank spots in the memory or the memory

663
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,779
seems to start and stop at certain

664
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,840
points where they don't remember the

665
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:11,700
Continuum of their experience it's just

666
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:13,740
like bookends on this is where it starts

667
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,720
this is where it ends and that's strange

668
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:18,240
because maybe that means they were taken

669
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,220
somewhere and brought back who knows

670
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,799
that's what is insinuated by missing

671
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,720
time events but to stick with the

672
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:26,880
visitors and the trees the other element

673
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:28,860
of your Insight

674
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,980
is the complexity in the things that

675
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,960
these beings were holding I mentioned

676
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:35,820
that it started with a woman holding a

677
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,419
stick eventually there's a video

678
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,240
recording device at least interpreted as

679
00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:44,580
that being shown do you think there's

680
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:47,159
some logic in the symbolic language of

681
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:49,020
the things these beings were holding and

682
00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:50,520
kind of presenting to them throughout

683
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:52,919
this that also speaks to that kind of

684
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:54,179
evolution

685
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:57,720
exactly it certainly does and

686
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:00,899
the whole experience is intended to

687
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:03,000
build in the mind

688
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:07,200
of the witness the mother primarily to

689
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:09,960
build in her mind

690
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:11,880
step by step

691
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:15,299
like building a wall of bricks

692
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:17,159
row by row

693
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:18,360
so that

694
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:22,260
her memories won't ever be detached from

695
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:26,159
this reality and they start with just a

696
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:29,460
simple thing this automobile it's a

697
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,799
little strange that comes into the yard

698
00:30:36,490 --> 00:30:33,779
and turns around and goes away

699
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,500
then the next morning the woman she's

700
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:39,600
wearing bright clothes she can't be

701
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:42,179
missed and all she's carrying is a stick

702
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,000
and she goes into the barn but then when

703
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:46,799
the daughter goes into the barn

704
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:49,620
behind her there's no one there

705
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:52,860
and it escalates from there

706
00:30:57,649 --> 00:30:56,220
through a whole series of events each

707
00:31:02,029 --> 00:30:57,659
one of them

708
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:02,039
symbolized by holding another thing

709
00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:05,640
and each thing that they hold is either

710
00:31:11,049 --> 00:31:07,620
more provocative

711
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,059
or Stranger Than what was held before

712
00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:14,399
and this was what actually tipped me off

713
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:16,679
to the hidden structure of this story

714
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,080
because you understand I've known this

715
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:22,080
story by heart for years and it was only

716
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:24,899
recently that I began to be able to

717
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,840
analyze not only this letter but all of

718
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,480
these others and it was lycon

719
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:33,600
boy a light went on in a dark room and I

720
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:34,620
thought

721
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:37,500
wow I can do this now

722
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:41,820
I've changed and why have I changed I've

723
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:45,840
changed because I have been taken on a

724
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:48,899
very similar path in my life I'm

725
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,299
relatively good at interacting with the

726
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,760
visitors now compared to where I was

727
00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:55,679
when these letters were coming in and

728
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:58,020
when I wrote communion because I've had

729
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,419
them in my life many many times

730
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:04,080
since then and thought about them and

731
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:05,700
worked with other people who have had

732
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:08,340
them in their lives and I built up a

733
00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:11,700
reservoir of experience that I can call

734
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:14,580
on so when these interactions occur and

735
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:16,200
there have been a few in the past couple

736
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,140
of years they're very very brief I can

737
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:21,240
actually get something from them in

738
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:23,159
other words the communications make

739
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:24,659
sense

740
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:27,720
hmm yeah let's unpack that a little bit

741
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:29,580
because I've also heard you say this

742
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:31,140
relationship we have with them is

743
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,179
probably Humanity's deepest relationship

744
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,279
period yet we still don't understand the

745
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:37,440
nature of it and in terms of your own

746
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,419
experience I know you're big on this

747
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,039
meditation practice you've been doing

748
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,200
since the 70s that you learned from the

749
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,080
gerchief foundation in New York

750
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:48,720
and then you have said that when the

751
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:51,779
visitors entered my life in 1985 they

752
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:53,880
used the same teaching techniques that I

753
00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:55,860
was familiar with from my gerchief work

754
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,220
so I work with them also I have been

755
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,200
active in my foundation work now for

756
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,720
more than 50 years 30 of which I've also

757
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,240
worked with the visitors well

758
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:08,880
what insights have these techniques and

759
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:10,980
the 30 years given you into the nature

760
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:13,919
of this relationship overall

761
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:18,840
well the most important thing is the

762
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,779
connection between soul and body

763
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:23,460
and how

764
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,720
build that connection over time it takes

765
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,360
great deal of patience

766
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:35,519
we live in a world where

767
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:38,460
we want immediate outcomes in other

768
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:39,899
words

769
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:43,260
I buy a book I want to read it and enjoy

770
00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:45,059
it I buy a video game I want to play it

771
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:47,399
and enjoy it I

772
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:49,980
learn a meditation technique I wanted to

773
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:52,980
change my life for the better right now

774
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:56,039
but the technique that's important here

775
00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:59,340
which I call the sensing exercise which

776
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:01,980
is a very important part of the Jeep

777
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:04,200
work is also important to the work with

778
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,940
the visitors

779
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:08,639
there are no short-term results

780
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:12,359
there's no aha moment you have to just

781
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,419
do it over and over and over again and I

782
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,040
do it every day

783
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:20,159
with a small group of people and then

784
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:23,460
twice more by myself

785
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,260
I do it at one o'clock in the afternoon

786
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:28,320
and Pacific time with them then 11

787
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,540
o'clock at night by myself and then

788
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,399
usually between three and four in the

789
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,280
morning again and

790
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,740
the reason I do it at that hour was that

791
00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:40,200
after Annie passed away

792
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:42,599
somebody probably Annie

793
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:45,240
started waking me up at that hour by

794
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:47,639
punching me on the shoulder or

795
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:50,940
tweaking my pinching me or

796
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:53,820
doing various things to me all of which

797
00:35:01,730 --> 00:34:58,140
were both starting and quite amusing

798
00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:01,740
and I realized that whoever it was

799
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,140
wanted me to do the sensing exercise at

800
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:06,240
that hour as well

801
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:09,000
and eventually found out why

802
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:11,460
and that is because

803
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:15,780
it's noon in certain yoga Traditions as

804
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:19,020
Brahma perthatan the time of the opening

805
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:21,420
of the mind when the

806
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,940
outside world is

807
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:26,000
inputting the least amount of

808
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,160
information into the brain

809
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,440
and into the mind

810
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:33,839
and the person is open

811
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:37,500
and it has revolutionized my life in

812
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:40,200
this sense that first the afterlife

813
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,640
Revolution

814
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,200
then

815
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:45,359
the next books

816
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,099
a new world

817
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:49,980
and Jesus in your vision

818
00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:52,140
and now them

819
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:54,540
all of these books

820
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,079
were written using

821
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,960
the relationship that evolves at that

822
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:01,680
hour

823
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:04,380
I can open my mind and listen

824
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,079
and all kinds of things come in it's

825
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:10,260
extremely valuable so this is just part

826
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:13,380
of it the other deeper part

827
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:16,740
is that we do have a second body we

828
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:18,180
definitely do

829
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,180
I have been privileged to experience

830
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:23,760
that being outside of the physical body

831
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:25,980
a number of times

832
00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:28,020
but the connection between the physical

833
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:30,599
body and the non-physical the second

834
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:31,980
body

835
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:34,560
is dependent upon

836
00:36:40,690 --> 00:36:38,040
sensation if you pay attention to the

837
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:40,700
sensation of the physical body

838
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:45,300
gradually it integrates over years of

839
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:47,640
time and this is where people fall out

840
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:49,140
on this because

841
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:52,500
you know they want to sit do this for a

842
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,900
week and notice some changes

843
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,880
you do it for a week and you're not

844
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:58,560
going to notice any changes you do it

845
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:01,320
for 10 years you might notice a little

846
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:03,960
but you do it for 30 or 40 years

847
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:06,540
and you do become a different kind of

848
00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:09,300
being slowly but surely in that first

849
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,839
and second body become in a sense one

850
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:15,180
and you become a more integrated being

851
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:17,700
and you become more awake to the world

852
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,320
around you your ego becomes a tool that

853
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:25,020
you use to live in the world and Whitley

854
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:28,020
is my world Walker but I'm not whittling

855
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:31,380
I am a much larger entity

856
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:34,560
that has always been here and for a long

857
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,320
time was silent but isn't silent anymore

858
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:39,599
and it's because of this integration

859
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:43,380
that has occurred over these 50 years of

860
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:45,720
working with this exercise

861
00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:49,440
yes well those are great points and even

862
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:53,420
just little things like time we are so

863
00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:56,099
divorced from nature and the natural

864
00:38:01,849 --> 00:37:58,200
cycles of our world we're doing this

865
00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:01,859
nine to five you know artificial time so

866
00:38:07,310 --> 00:38:05,579
we are divorced from the insights and

867
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:07,320
the mechanisms that play with natural

868
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,260
time just as much as we don't have any

869
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,720
context for our other body our ethereal

870
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:15,599
body the parts of us the larger than

871
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:18,900
human parts of ourselves we have lost so

872
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:21,540
much context about ourselves and our our

873
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:23,339
environment even simple little things

874
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:26,760
that to tackle this huge issue of what

875
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:29,460
the visitors are starts to get pretty

876
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,339
difficult pretty daunting considering we

877
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,079
have to go back to the basics and

878
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:36,660
re-establish ourselves within our system

879
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:38,520
because we are part of it and it's a

880
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:41,160
reciprocal system that seems to have

881
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:42,540
different effects on our Consciousness

882
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:44,839
at different times and different places

883
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:46,859
with all sorts of stuff that just

884
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:48,599
doesn't make it into modern Western

885
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:49,980
culture

886
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,920
right it it does not and you know

887
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:54,420
Western culture

888
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:57,060
it's an interesting question it became

889
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:59,339
very left brain

890
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:01,740
remember back in the I guess the 80s the

891
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:05,160
left brain right brain thing came in and

892
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,740
the right brain supposedly controlled

893
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:09,359
one group of

894
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:11,400
mental activities in the left brain

895
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:14,700
another but modern neurology has shown

896
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:17,520
that both sides work together and that

897
00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:20,520
this whole left brain right brain thing

898
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:23,099
was a kind of fad

899
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:25,800
but that doesn't mean that the two sides

900
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:29,099
are the same or that they address

901
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:32,220
experience in the same way at all they

902
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,079
don't the right brain is the master and

903
00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:41,040
the left brain is the servant but that's

904
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:43,079
not how we work in the West

905
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:46,920
the left brain has become dominant in

906
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:47,820
the West

907
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:50,280
you know Frederick Nietzsche had the

908
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:53,820
philosopher of the late 19th century had

909
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,579
a Parable called the master in his

910
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,079
emissary

911
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,920
in it the master is a wonderful leader

912
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:04,079
of a beautiful little kingdom

913
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,079
and it's such a successful Kingdom that

914
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,119
the other little kingdoms around it all

915
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:10,980
want to join it

916
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:14,339
but now it gets so big that the master

917
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:16,859
needs to send out an emissary

918
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:19,859
and the Emissary he chooses an emissary

919
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:22,020
and the Emissary goes out to rule the

920
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:25,020
outline parts of the Kingdom

921
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:26,220
but

922
00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:28,680
he decides that he's better than the

923
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:31,820
master and he begins to rule on his own

924
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:36,359
very arbitrarily without regard

925
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:41,040
for the lives and feelings of the people

926
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:42,839
he's ruling

927
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:48,240
and he assembles an army and he goes

928
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,720
back to the Homeland and kills the

929
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:54,720
master and takes everything over and

930
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:57,000
then the whole Kingdom collapses into

931
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,200
ruins

932
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:01,680
and the master of course is the right

933
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:05,460
brain with its ability to feel with its

934
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:08,940
sense of empathy with its regard for

935
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:10,200
others

936
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:13,440
the left brain is the emissary

937
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:16,140
and if you look at our history

938
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:19,260
the left brain when the left brain takes

939
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,380
people over they get very dangerous they

940
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:25,920
cease to care about the lives of others

941
00:41:31,390 --> 00:41:29,520
which become abstractions for them to

942
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:31,400
use in

943
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:35,460
hopeless quest for power you see it

944
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:39,060
right now in Vladimir Putin and

945
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:41,940
the president of China jingping I

946
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:43,500
believe his name is

947
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:45,720
these are people who have become

948
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:49,200
dominated by their left brains and they

949
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,680
will ruin the world if they can and they

950
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:55,320
do not care about the lives of others

951
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,240
like Adolf Hitler for example Joseph

952
00:42:02,290 --> 00:41:59,760
Stalin the lives of others meant nothing

953
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:02,300
to them nothing

954
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,820
unfortunately in democracies it's quite

955
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,280
hard to get elected if you're like that

956
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,560
because if you can't empathize people

957
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:12,839
are hesitant to vote for you

958
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:16,260
not always and it does happen and it has

959
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:18,900
almost happened here recently where a

960
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:21,060
person without any access to their right

961
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,020
brain

962
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:23,520
gains power

963
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:25,260
and then they begin to kill others

964
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,760
without regard

965
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:29,040
to the value of their life

966
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:30,300
mm-hmm

967
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,300
yes and on the subject of the state and

968
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:35,040
governments in part two you talk about

969
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:37,859
what the government seem to know about

970
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,500
this stuff and about the secrecy saying

971
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:43,440
it is always assumed that UAP secrecy

972
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,859
originated as official policy that is

973
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:48,720
not correct our visitors are very

974
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,940
secretive and by their actions they have

975
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:53,040
made sure that our policy would follow

976
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:55,560
theirs they have placed our official

977
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,020
World in a position where it has no

978
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,480
choice but to keep their secrets for

979
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,880
them I will show you how they have done

980
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:04,800
this and discuss what we can do to

981
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:07,619
change the situation well elaborate on

982
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,420
that a bit because I think people

983
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:12,000
consider government secretive by Nature

984
00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:15,060
across the board anyway how can we say

985
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:18,119
this is directed by the beans themselves

986
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:19,440
that's a little bit of a Different Twist

987
00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:22,200
than we're used to hearing

988
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:25,020
well it is a Different Twist and it

989
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:27,660
wasn't that they managed it and went to

990
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:29,819
Mr President or someone and whispered in

991
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:30,660
their ear

992
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,460
it's what they did

993
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:34,560
that caused this to happen

994
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:37,079
and for example

995
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:40,980
their emergence began in the 20th

996
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,160
century of course in 1947 but it didn't

997
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:47,280
begin with Kenneth Arnold's sighting of

998
00:43:51,309 --> 00:43:50,220
the UFOs while he was flying near Mount

999
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:51,319
Rainier

1000
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,440
in June or the Roswell incident in July

1001
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:57,839
it began that spring

1002
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:01,079
when we were testing

1003
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,680
German rockets that we had brought from

1004
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:06,900
Germany and we were testing with White

1005
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:10,440
Sands in other words the age of the

1006
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:12,780
missile was beginning

1007
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:17,040
and the atomic age had already begun

1008
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:20,520
and the visitors began demonstrating the

1009
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:22,260
danger of this

1010
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:23,880
they cannot

1011
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:26,099
communicate with us directly or they

1012
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:27,960
would I think

1013
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:30,720
and they did that by causing trouble

1014
00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:33,660
when we launched these missiles

1015
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:37,319
and the reaction was

1016
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,960
great confusion because they could see

1017
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:41,579
these little lights that would come near

1018
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:43,140
some of them and then they would explode

1019
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:45,420
or go of course they didn't understand

1020
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:47,880
what was going on at all

1021
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,480
no one in our world had any experience

1022
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,760
with anything like this before

1023
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:56,280
there had been a previous crash

1024
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,800
at the Trinity site again an attempt to

1025
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:04,800
show the dangers

1026
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:07,260
of nuclear weapons

1027
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:11,579
by having this object crash nearby

1028
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:14,700
completely different way of thinking and

1029
00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:17,579
communicating than we would use because

1030
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:21,420
it was working by demonstration and then

1031
00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:23,940
the Roswell incident occurred

1032
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,000
where it would become undeniable

1033
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,460
the Trinity incident that was researched

1034
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:31,680
by Jacques valet and Paola Harris for

1035
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:34,680
their book Trinity was buried and no one

1036
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:36,660
cared I mean they took the debris away

1037
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:38,940
and kind of forgot about it

1038
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:41,460
but the Roswell incident was different

1039
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:45,000
and for a certain very specific reason

1040
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:50,000
it had occurred within 30 miles of the

1041
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:53,339
509th bomb Wing stationed at Roswell

1042
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:55,319
Army Air Base

1043
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:57,060
at the time

1044
00:46:02,569 --> 00:46:00,540
and that Wing was the only Atomic bomber

1045
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:02,579
Wing in the world

1046
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:05,220
and Stalin had four and a half million

1047
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,520
men lined up ready to sweep across what

1048
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:10,500
was becoming known as the Iron Curtain

1049
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,839
and take the rest of Europe and probably

1050
00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:14,700
Britain as well

1051
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:16,520
and

1052
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,660
suddenly this object crashes within a

1053
00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:24,240
few miles of what was then the most

1054
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:26,099
important and most sensitive military

1055
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,000
base on the planet because those bombers

1056
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:32,940
and the fact that Stalin did not have

1057
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:35,760
the ability to stop them if they came to

1058
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,980
Russia some of them would certainly get

1059
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:39,180
through

1060
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:42,060
or what was preventing him from sweeping

1061
00:46:45,530 --> 00:46:43,140
across

1062
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:45,540
the whole Western world

1063
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:49,140
and punching the whole thing into the

1064
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:51,480
darkness of the paranoid dictatorship

1065
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:54,540
that was known as communism

1066
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,200
but what was worse is I can't prove this

1067
00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:01,680
but I was told off the Record or not off

1068
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:04,380
the Record exactly but I was told by

1069
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:06,300
some of the people who were there at the

1070
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:07,200
time

1071
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,440
that the secret was that the bombers

1072
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:12,119
weren't actually ready

1073
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,099
in other words there were a few nuclear

1074
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:16,980
weapons on the base but not many and the

1075
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,260
fear therefore would have been

1076
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:21,680
that if this was a Russian spy device

1077
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,660
that if it had dagger counters or had

1078
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:26,220
released people who could come with

1079
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:29,220
Geiger counters close to the base they

1080
00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:30,780
would find out that there wasn't enough

1081
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,020
nuclear material there and that the

1082
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:36,720
509th was essentially above

1083
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:39,060
and Stalin would have gone ahead so the

1084
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,079
terror was immediate in the military but

1085
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:46,020
then the debris was gathered up and

1086
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,540
taken to right field and you know the

1087
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,400
people who say oh this never happened

1088
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:52,440
well I'm sorry

1089
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:56,099
the fact that that material was placed

1090
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:58,859
on a special airplane a bomber that had

1091
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:02,640
been converted to Cargo use and flown to

1092
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:05,880
right field means that there was no way

1093
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:09,839
it was a known radar Target or a balloon

1094
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:13,020
or anything they have described it was

1095
00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:13,920
something

1096
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:17,160
unknown and it was taken directly to

1097
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:18,660
right because that's where the air

1098
00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:22,380
material command was run by General

1099
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:25,319
Nathan Twining who would later write the

1100
00:48:31,069 --> 00:48:28,980
Twining memo a year later in 1947 which

1101
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:31,079
is also proof that we have been seeing

1102
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:32,760
these things in the sky for many years

1103
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:35,940
General Arthur Exon lieutenant colonel

1104
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,480
was there my uncle Mickey Edward streber

1105
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,000
then a major was there

1106
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:44,160
and

1107
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:57,180
question for the military

1108
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,119
what in the heck you know it's bad

1109
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,119
enough they classified it and pulled the

1110
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:05,040
whole thing right out of the newspapers

1111
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:06,180
because when they thought it was

1112
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:07,500
Russians

1113
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,140
a Russian spy ship then when they

1114
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:13,440
realized these bodies were not human

1115
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,780
it blew their minds and that's when the

1116
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:17,160
secrecy started

1117
00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:22,859
of where the crash occurred and what was

1118
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:26,099
in the ship mm-hmm because one thing

1119
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,140
about the visitors you know for us death

1120
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:30,720
is a hugely important thing it's not so

1121
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,700
important for them because they have a

1122
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:34,200
different relationship to the body than

1123
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:38,700
we do they use bodies like we use here

1124
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,819
I like it man and I also wanted to ask

1125
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:43,920
you about Dr Diana posoka's Book

1126
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:46,200
American Cosmic she had some nice things

1127
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:48,300
to say about them and this kind of

1128
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,240
relates to crashes and recoveries and

1129
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:53,520
this kind of thing but in that book she

1130
00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:56,099
talks about how she seems to have been

1131
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,780
plugged in with some people still

1132
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:00,240
working on such things in the so-called

1133
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:02,700
invisible college and

1134
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:05,160
what stuck out to me was these like

1135
00:50:11,809 --> 00:50:08,760
gifting fields in the desert where these

1136
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:11,819
folks who study these things seem to

1137
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,640
have kind of established that these

1138
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:16,859
beings will leave things for them to

1139
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:19,800
find quite often quite reliably

1140
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:21,720
what do you think's going on there I

1141
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,839
mean might there be other areas where

1142
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:27,180
such a relationship is established this

1143
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,160
seems quite fascinating it seems like

1144
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:32,400
repeatable and kind of something that

1145
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:33,660
would Advance our understanding

1146
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:35,220
eventually

1147
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:39,240
well there's one site where a lot of

1148
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,099
material has been found over a long

1149
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:43,020
period of time

1150
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:45,900
even though it's been thoroughly combed

1151
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:48,660
over many times

1152
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,700
and primarily what's been found there

1153
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:53,760
are materials metals and other materials

1154
00:50:59,930 --> 00:50:57,660
that have gone into things like

1155
00:51:02,329 --> 00:50:59,940
making Ultra hard

1156
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:02,339
titanium Medical

1157
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,440
implants in fact

1158
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:06,720
if you get an artificial knee

1159
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:09,960
there's a strong possibility that

1160
00:51:13,549 --> 00:51:12,059
the molecular structure of the titanium

1161
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:13,559
that's involved

1162
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,000
started at the donation site and was

1163
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:20,880
then patented and

1164
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,339
once it was figured out patented and

1165
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:25,380
then the patents were sold by an

1166
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:27,900
inventor who's actually not an inventor

1167
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:30,420
but a representative

1168
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,900
of the Insiders who are analyzing this

1169
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,640
material

1170
00:51:39,069 --> 00:51:37,079
also

1171
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:39,079
a high energy

1172
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,460
diffusing coatings

1173
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:44,160
and other things have been

1174
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,460
found there that have been used in all

1175
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:48,720
kinds of different industrial

1176
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,780
applications including jet transports

1177
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:53,040
and

1178
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:57,839
of things so a lot has been found there

1179
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:00,059
now here's the interesting thing about

1180
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:04,079
the site to me because the site is quite

1181
00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:05,339
near

1182
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:09,780
an area where an extremely unusual event

1183
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:13,140
occurred back in the 16th century it's

1184
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:16,140
where the lady in blue

1185
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,099
which was Saint Mary of agrita

1186
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:22,079
a nun in

1187
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:26,280
Spain was by locating to this area and

1188
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:28,260
convincing the people

1189
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:32,220
to accept Christianity so that when the

1190
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:34,380
Spaniards showed up

1191
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,500
they would not kill them all

1192
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:40,559
so the area it's a bit like the

1193
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,220
Skinwalker Ranch it's got some Mojo to

1194
00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:47,280
it yeah that's not quite what you would

1195
00:52:51,770 --> 00:52:48,839
think in other words

1196
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,780
anytime you look at this stuff if you

1197
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:53,760
look at it strictly from the Viewpoint

1198
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:55,980
of Technology

1199
00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:58,440
you don't get anywhere or you get a

1200
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,599
little distance but not that far because

1201
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:02,400
there's more to it than that there's a

1202
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:06,000
whole another level of law of physics

1203
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,660
that has to do with the human soul but

1204
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:11,880
we don't understand the physics of

1205
00:53:19,609 --> 00:53:15,359
Consciousness and as a society and as

1206
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:19,619
individuals we reject the soul and have

1207
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:22,740
been doing that for a long time we don't

1208
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:25,380
believe in it and because that's true

1209
00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:27,960
we've isolated ourselves from ourselves

1210
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,380
we're like schizophrenics and

1211
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:33,359
one hand doesn't know what the other is

1212
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,500
doing but at the donation site

1213
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:40,079
you feel different

1214
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:41,880
and

1215
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,700
all that whole area you feel different

1216
00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:47,040
and it's powerful

1217
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:49,079
and it's not the only one there's lots

1218
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:50,760
of places on the Earth

1219
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:53,220
where the planet will embrace you if you

1220
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:54,240
let it

1221
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,240
in a way that serves

1222
00:54:04,790 --> 00:53:59,040
your

1223
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,800
higher level of being because Earth

1224
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:06,480
wants us

1225
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:08,280
to do that

1226
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:09,540
mm-hmm

1227
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:11,220
that's not an answer you would have

1228
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:13,319
expected that I'm not sure no no but

1229
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:15,480
that does get to the heart I think of

1230
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:17,099
kind of what we talked about earlier of

1231
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:19,800
there just being aspects of even our

1232
00:54:25,309 --> 00:54:22,920
environment that we have no context for

1233
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:25,319
it's like a foreign language but it

1234
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,540
probably wasn't at certain points in the

1235
00:54:31,790 --> 00:54:30,180
past or with cultures who live more

1236
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,800
embedded in their environment they have

1237
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,480
a better understanding of some of these

1238
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:35,760
mechanisms and some of these places and

1239
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:36,900
the Earth does seem to have a

1240
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:39,059
Consciousness some have even suggested

1241
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:40,980
that these beings are aspects of the

1242
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:43,260
Earth's imagination trying to reach out

1243
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:46,140
to us in a way that it thinks is

1244
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:47,940
familiar to us

1245
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:50,280
I love that Insight I think it's a

1246
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,740
wonderful one because I think that may

1247
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,200
very well be what they are but then

1248
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,880
again the Insight needs to take another

1249
00:55:00,109 --> 00:54:58,079
step

1250
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,119
so are we

1251
00:55:06,349 --> 00:55:02,579
everything here

1252
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:06,359
has to do with the mind and the

1253
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:08,460
imagination of the Mind

1254
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:10,140
that is

1255
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:12,059
that we are part of

1256
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,780
the organism of the Earth as it were

1257
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:18,240
the Earth has organs

1258
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:22,020
life is one of the Earth's organs and

1259
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:25,140
its communication with its star and the

1260
00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:28,920
world around it it's just that this long

1261
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:30,859
booming

1262
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:32,520
conversation

1263
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:36,240
is impossible for us to hear it's the

1264
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:39,059
same reason that a mouse can't hear an

1265
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:40,440
elephant

1266
00:55:49,609 --> 00:55:46,140
and in Mouse's ears are simply not

1267
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:49,619
designed to hear sounds that low

1268
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:52,260
nor for that matter as the elephant's

1269
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:54,420
ears designed to hear the squeaking of a

1270
00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:55,619
mouse

1271
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,940
because it's too big so they can stand

1272
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:04,800
side by side and not even know each

1273
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,540
other exists

1274
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:09,420
but we're not the mouse only

1275
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:11,700
we have a mind

1276
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,700
and we can evolve questions

1277
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:17,280
and we can inquire

1278
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:20,640
we can build a relationship with our

1279
00:56:26,809 --> 00:56:24,119
planet that's completely new in the past

1280
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:26,819
it does not understanding

1281
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,500
that gave them

1282
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:30,960
their relationship with the Earth it was

1283
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,079
inner standing it was more an instinct

1284
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:37,440
but now we can come to another level

1285
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,339
it is as if we have taken a long journey

1286
00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:43,440
out of the forest

1287
00:56:50,089 --> 00:56:45,960
where we originated

1288
00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:50,099
and have now got to the point where we

1289
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,880
can return to the first but in a new way

1290
00:56:57,710 --> 00:56:55,559
in the past

1291
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:57,720
we lived in the forest like the forest

1292
00:57:01,490 --> 00:56:58,980
creatures

1293
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:01,500
now we will live in the forest like

1294
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:05,819
angels and the difference is enormous

1295
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:06,420
um

1296
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,599
I like that I like that and you use the

1297
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,000
phrase physics of Consciousness I also

1298
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:14,160
like that here's a paragraph from the

1299
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,140
book that I really like where you write

1300
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,200
about the physics defined aspects of

1301
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:21,660
these encounters and the abilities these

1302
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:23,640
beings seem to have and you write

1303
00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:25,559
I think that there is at least a

1304
00:57:30,589 --> 00:57:28,380
smattering of evidence that we conscious

1305
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,599
beings are ourselves the technology

1306
00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:32,880
needed to accomplish these seemingly

1307
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:35,160
impossible Feats and because our

1308
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:37,500
visitors know and understand this when

1309
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,720
they do things like disappear before our

1310
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,480
eyes rise up into the air or communicate

1311
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,400
with thought it's not because they

1312
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,280
possess extraordinary technology but

1313
00:57:51,049 --> 00:57:49,200
because they are still in contact with

1314
00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:51,059
the extraordinary technology that is

1315
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:53,460
part of them and judging from our past

1316
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:55,559
engineering accomplishments possibly

1317
00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:58,920
also part of us if so they're saying

1318
00:58:03,530 --> 00:58:01,020
look at us Freer than birds dancing

1319
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:03,540
through your skies for all to see that

1320
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:05,640
statement I would think is meant to lead

1321
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:09,240
to a question why aren't you

1322
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:11,099
um that's good and I'm on your page

1323
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,380
there a finely tuned Consciousness seems

1324
00:58:20,809 --> 00:58:16,319
to be able to do amazing things

1325
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:20,819
well we're in a situation right now

1326
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:24,720
Mother Earth is been pregnant with us

1327
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:30,420
for a long time and her womb is full

1328
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,599
and the Waters of Earth's womb are

1329
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:35,040
becoming

1330
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:37,619
turbid just like the Waters of a

1331
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:40,200
pregnant woman do when she's about to

1332
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:41,460
give birth

1333
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:44,520
and that is to say we're having climate

1334
00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:47,520
change and excessive carbon dioxide in

1335
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:49,140
the atmosphere and all kinds of things

1336
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:50,460
like that

1337
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:51,660
and

1338
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,240
the Earth is going to give birth to us

1339
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,400
whether we like it or not

1340
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,319
that is to say

1341
00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:00,720
the bodies that we have now

1342
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:04,040
and the way we live now will not remain

1343
00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:07,020
it will not be like this forever

1344
00:59:13,309 --> 00:59:09,420
and we will have to come out into a new

1345
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,319
world in an entirely new way

1346
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:16,319
the visitors are here for many reasons

1347
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,440
and they are part of us not part of us

1348
00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:21,839
all of these things all wrapped up

1349
00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:22,859
together

1350
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:25,980
but one thing they are is that they are

1351
00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:29,160
midwives to the birth of mankind because

1352
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:31,559
that's what's been going on here from

1353
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:33,240
time immemorial

1354
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:36,720
we have always been

1355
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:40,319
babies in the womb of our planet and

1356
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:44,760
we're getting ready to be born dead or

1357
00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:46,260
born alive

1358
00:59:50,809 --> 00:59:48,359
but we will be born

1359
00:59:54,289 --> 00:59:50,819
the planet will give us up because it

1360
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:54,299
must there are too many of us

1361
00:59:59,450 --> 00:59:57,540
and we will find the planet becomes

1362
01:00:03,349 --> 00:59:59,460
unable to support us

1363
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:03,359
quite soon I would assume and what will

1364
01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:05,339
change

1365
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,500
is we're either going to end up a bunch

1366
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:09,599
of dead bodies lying around

1367
01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:12,900
or we're going to be a new kind of

1368
01:00:18,530 --> 01:00:16,380
mankind and a new body and that's what I

1369
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,540
am working toward and what the visitors

1370
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:20,640
are working toward and what so many

1371
01:00:26,109 --> 01:00:23,220
people struggling with

1372
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:26,119
at the edges of science

1373
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:30,599
where Quantum indeterminacy melds with

1374
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:34,440
the mystery of the mind or the edges of

1375
01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:37,799
Consciousness work where extraordinary

1376
01:00:44,450 --> 01:00:41,900
States and people using these other

1377
01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:44,460
consciousnesses that are called

1378
01:00:49,849 --> 01:00:46,920
Ayahuasca and so forth are trying to

1379
01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:49,859
make this journey build the basis for

1380
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:51,180
this journey

1381
01:00:55,789 --> 01:00:53,640
we don't know what it means to be human

1382
01:00:57,230 --> 01:00:55,799
because we've always been babies in a

1383
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:57,240
womb

1384
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:59,160
and that's right one of the visitors

1385
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:01,140
once said to me

1386
01:01:06,270 --> 01:01:03,780
you are

1387
01:01:08,109 --> 01:01:06,280
very close to being human

1388
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:08,119
[Laughter]

1389
01:01:15,470 --> 01:01:12,720
they always talk in this odd prose but

1390
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,480
there's depth there for sure and once

1391
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,760
again it's been an honor and a pleasure

1392
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:19,920
I have a lot of respect for your

1393
01:01:24,049 --> 01:01:22,799
contributions to the subject and I'm

1394
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,059
lucky to be able to have you here

1395
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:26,880
firsthand before we go let's do the plug

1396
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:30,660
thing let me know let them know anything

1397
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:32,819
else that they should about

1398
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:35,160
the new book Dreamland anything else you

1399
01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:36,480
got in the works

1400
01:01:41,569 --> 01:01:38,700
okay

1401
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:41,579
the new book is available it's on Amazon

1402
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:45,660
as a Kindle it is available is a hard

1403
01:01:49,069 --> 01:01:47,940
cover and a paperback on a lot of other

1404
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,079
sites

1405
01:01:55,250 --> 01:01:51,599
it is also available as an audio book

1406
01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:55,260
read by me on audible.com

1407
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:57,960
and on Amazon

1408
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,160
and quite frankly you need this I'm not

1409
01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:03,839
I'm not a big

1410
01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:08,099
for sure but this is new and this is the

1411
01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:11,579
next step if we're going to ever get

1412
01:02:16,970 --> 01:02:15,180
focus on this whole experience them is

1413
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,980
the beginning of that Focus

1414
01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:18,480
my website of course is

1415
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,579
unknowncountry.com I'm there all the

1416
01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:22,799
time I am

1417
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,280
every Wednesday night at seven o'clock

1418
01:02:31,250 --> 01:02:29,280
Pacific time I'm on the site in the chat

1419
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:31,260
room with subscribers

1420
01:02:37,490 --> 01:02:35,220
I'm very Hands-On and I do have

1421
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:37,500
subscriptions that you can get for 4.95

1422
01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:40,799
a month and or more for longer periods

1423
01:02:45,309 --> 01:02:44,040
of time so get engaged in this and get

1424
01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:45,319
involved

1425
01:02:50,210 --> 01:02:48,119
it's valuable stuff and it's very

1426
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:50,220
worthwhile mm-hmm

1427
01:02:58,730 --> 01:02:55,260
well said and also fun it's terrible yes

1428
01:03:01,069 --> 01:02:58,740
yes it is it is fun to speculate about I

1429
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,079
know these experiences are often very

1430
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:03,359
unpleasant but I do appreciate your

1431
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:05,940
candor and the application of your mind

1432
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:08,400
to the Mysteries thanks again keep doing

1433
01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:10,440
what you do and take care out there

1434
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:13,260
thank you very much

1435
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,380
and boom goes the dynamite the return of

1436
01:03:20,109 --> 01:03:18,720
the legendary Whitley strieber to my

1437
01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:20,119
humble little corner of the internet

1438
01:03:25,849 --> 01:03:22,440
very fortunate to have him in the

1439
01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:25,859
Rolodex and I do appreciate his insights

1440
01:03:31,069 --> 01:03:28,380
this book in particular is a really fun

1441
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:31,079
read the letters that he chose to cover

1442
01:03:35,329 --> 01:03:33,420
are all deeply strange and contain a

1443
01:03:37,250 --> 01:03:35,339
good amount of detail and it's always

1444
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,260
been a bit tough for me to know how much

1445
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:39,839
of that detail to get into because In A

1446
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:41,940
Book Like This these stories are the

1447
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,280
main draw but you know I like to get

1448
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,559
deeper into the books themselves and two

1449
01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:49,440
or three stories should be fair game in

1450
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:51,299
fact Whitley himself went back and added

1451
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,220
some detail in one of the stories we

1452
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:55,680
told in the second hour so clearly he

1453
01:03:59,569 --> 01:03:57,480
likes these interviews to sound complete

1454
01:04:01,970 --> 01:03:59,579
as well and I appreciate that

1455
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:01,980
I would say for me the story with the

1456
01:04:06,770 --> 01:04:03,720
little men coming out of the circus

1457
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:06,780
billboard is probably the craziest I

1458
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,280
don't even think we mentioned that one

1459
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:10,079
of the Witnesses in that story did

1460
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:12,660
eventually see it shoot off into the sky

1461
01:04:17,690 --> 01:04:15,960
so it was like a flat ship or something

1462
01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:17,700
again that was part of the second hour

1463
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:19,559
but you know the drill sign up for plus

1464
01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:21,540
stop missing half the show and feel good

1465
01:04:25,609 --> 01:04:23,640
supporting an independent platform that

1466
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,619
actually works without ads or any of

1467
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:27,359
that other nonsense

1468
01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:30,900
but other Plus show topics would be the

1469
01:04:34,970 --> 01:04:33,540
physics of Consciousness the call of the

1470
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,980
Morlock story

1471
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,200
the question of How Deeply are we

1472
01:04:43,069 --> 01:04:39,599
hypnotized by them is it just our whole

1473
01:04:44,210 --> 01:04:43,079
life the circus billboard story which I

1474
01:04:46,849 --> 01:04:44,220
mentioned

1475
01:04:50,089 --> 01:04:46,859
information downloads and human history

1476
01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:50,099
lessons during these experiences and we

1477
01:04:54,410 --> 01:04:52,500
got into that age-old question of if the

1478
01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:54,420
state and the military industrial

1479
01:04:59,569 --> 01:04:57,480
complex or the Deep private Nexus and by

1480
01:05:02,089 --> 01:04:59,579
extension the invisible College

1481
01:05:04,430 --> 01:05:02,099
have lost the story and the materials

1482
01:05:06,530 --> 01:05:04,440
and maybe even lost control of the UFO

1483
01:05:08,329 --> 01:05:06,540
question altogether

1484
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:08,339
and that is basically a whole nother

1485
01:05:14,329 --> 01:05:11,160
book in itself what Whitley calls part

1486
01:05:16,430 --> 01:05:14,339
two of them it's more of a historical

1487
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:16,440
Deep dive into the nuts and bolts the

1488
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,180
sightings the crashes the recovered

1489
01:05:22,910 --> 01:05:20,400
material and statements made by various

1490
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:22,920
high-ranking military brass

1491
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,680
very dense and detail heavy and

1492
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:27,599
respectable in its own right

1493
01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:30,180
and that really just means that his book

1494
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,940
them is twice as jam-packed as a lot of

1495
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:33,839
others

1496
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,180
plus as I mentioned additional writing

1497
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:38,640
from Mitch Horowitz Jacques valet and Dr

1498
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:40,260
Jeff kreipel

1499
01:05:44,569 --> 01:05:42,119
basically some people's weird stuff

1500
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,579
Mount Rushmore

1501
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:46,319
and I'm sure there will be comments from

1502
01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:48,900
people who are skeptical or not quite

1503
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:50,940
sure how they feel about Whitley's

1504
01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:52,799
personal experiences

1505
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:55,380
I know that being a fiction horror

1506
01:06:00,829 --> 01:05:57,599
writer makes some people question the

1507
01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:00,839
motive to then switch to non-fiction

1508
01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:03,059
honestly it makes no never mind to me

1509
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:05,160
everybody has to have a job and an

1510
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:08,040
income but what's great about them for

1511
01:06:12,049 --> 01:06:09,960
those people is that it's a collection

1512
01:06:14,510 --> 01:06:12,059
of stories from others who are just

1513
01:06:16,609 --> 01:06:14,520
reacting to communion and explaining

1514
01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:16,619
their own experiences

1515
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:18,780
in part two like I said is just good

1516
01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:21,839
hard-nosed ufology research

1517
01:06:27,289 --> 01:06:23,880
which to me is really impressive because

1518
01:06:30,049 --> 01:06:27,299
I'm sure the personal experiences fuel

1519
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,059
the desire for deeper answers or at

1520
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,160
least the better questions

1521
01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:34,319
and he does have some deep contacts

1522
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:35,940
because of communion

1523
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:38,099
but it is research that anyone could

1524
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,440
choose to undertake personal experience

1525
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:42,720
with the visitors is not required to do

1526
01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:43,559
that

1527
01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:45,900
so in a way I like it even more because

1528
01:06:52,130 --> 01:06:48,420
it doesn't rely on trust it's just

1529
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,140
basically high level UFO journalism

1530
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:54,240
either way people have been asking for

1531
01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:56,280
more paranormal and I was happy to jump

1532
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:58,140
back into the high strangeness Waters

1533
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,640
with Whitley

1534
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,440
we actually have a couple of weird ones

1535
01:07:06,589 --> 01:07:03,599
in the works so those types of listeners

1536
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:06,599
will be very happy I think in higher

1537
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:09,119
side news if you saw my Twitter telegram

1538
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:11,760
Instagram post regarding the update with

1539
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,880
my studio setup then you know I'm still

1540
01:07:19,069 --> 01:07:16,319
in limbo

1541
01:07:21,529 --> 01:07:19,079
fingers crossed I have legitimate fiber

1542
01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:21,539
internet coming but I got EarthLink to

1543
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:24,119
try to cover the Gap and as I learned

1544
01:07:28,970 --> 01:07:26,760
the hard way it is not sufficient for

1545
01:07:31,730 --> 01:07:28,980
recording interviews it dropped out over

1546
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,740
a dozen times in two hours the one time

1547
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,119
I tried

1548
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:35,760
I also have legit Studio soundproof

1549
01:07:40,609 --> 01:07:38,099
incoming but for now I have a bit of an

1550
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:40,619
echo issue that I'm trying to Jerry rig

1551
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:41,640
around

1552
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,980
but the show must go on and I should

1553
01:07:48,289 --> 01:07:46,079
probably just stop explaining myself and

1554
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,299
making excuses and just giving the good

1555
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,920
stuff you come here for

1556
01:07:53,329 --> 01:07:51,599
that said let's look at the Meetup

1557
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:53,339
calendar before we go if you're looking

1558
01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:55,500
to make new local friends

1559
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,500
who get it always scope out the calendar

1560
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:00,960
or make an event of your own

1561
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:04,079
I see people posting on the Forum on

1562
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:06,240
telegram on Twitter

1563
01:08:10,970 --> 01:08:09,359
on the subreddit saying hey is there

1564
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:10,980
anybody in this area that would like to

1565
01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:15,000
do a meet up and that is just not a very

1566
01:08:19,309 --> 01:08:16,500
efficient way to go about it because

1567
01:08:21,169 --> 01:08:19,319
only a fraction of THC listeners are

1568
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:21,179
going to see that post on the telegram

1569
01:08:27,950 --> 01:08:25,380
on the subreddit and then of those

1570
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,960
they'd have to be local so really you

1571
01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:29,759
just gotta pull the trigger put yourself

1572
01:08:36,050 --> 01:08:32,460
out there make the event I will read it

1573
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:36,060
on the air and the locals will come

1574
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:37,799
it seems like a lot of people are just

1575
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:39,719
afraid to shoot their shot they don't

1576
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:42,420
want to make an event and then have

1577
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:44,520
nobody come but so what you're at a bar

1578
01:08:48,769 --> 01:08:46,920
that you picked having a couple beers

1579
01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:48,779
it's not the end of the world and it's

1580
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,179
the least likely scenario

1581
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:54,000
but here's what we got on Deck May 13th

1582
01:08:59,870 --> 01:08:57,480
we have an event in Elko Nevada May 18th

1583
01:09:03,470 --> 01:08:59,880
one in Pensacola Florida

1584
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:03,480
May 19th Pearl Blossom California

1585
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,460
also May 19th Cuda Bali Indonesia

1586
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,319
we get around don't we folks and then

1587
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,440
May 21st Sussex New Jersey

1588
01:09:17,390 --> 01:09:15,660
but there's a handful of the next events

1589
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,400
always jump in and look at the calendar

1590
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:19,199
if you're curious about things in your

1591
01:09:24,829 --> 01:09:22,560
area or just make one as I said

1592
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:24,839
good stuff fun times with new friends

1593
01:09:28,450 --> 01:09:26,460
and with that I'm getting out of here

1594
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:28,460
big thanks again to Whitley

1595
01:09:33,650 --> 01:09:31,020
unknowncountry.com Dreamland is a great

1596
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:33,660
podcast in its own right but I've done

1597
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:36,179
my part your move Soul seeking visitors

1598
01:09:41,769 --> 01:09:38,940
sexual fluid extracting entities and any

1599
01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:41,779
and all aspects of the big them

1600
01:09:48,349 --> 01:09:44,900
your move

1601
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:48,359
when you see weird lights outside of

1602
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:53,689
something sits on your chest when you

1603
01:09:57,540 --> 01:10:02,770
be a pattern

1604
01:10:09,169 --> 01:10:07,250
oh you might have those green memories

1605
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:09,179
darling wait

1606
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,170
make them sing

1607
01:10:21,010 --> 01:10:19,070
[Music]

1608
01:10:24,110 --> 01:10:21,020
and baby I

1609
01:10:29,229 --> 01:10:24,120
tried the camera

1610
01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:33,830
I'm thinking about how people can't get

1611
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:37,860
free from mysterious Grace

1612
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:43,760
it's getting just a bit out of hand

1613
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:48,300
we really just want to get back on with

1614
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:53,360
our days don't care about the hybriding

1615
01:11:05,709 --> 01:11:04,340
don't walk into the sky the arms

1616
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:05,719
[Music]

1617
01:11:11,770 --> 01:11:09,420
no they came from the sky from out of

1618
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:11,780
the Stars

1619
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:17,120
play something on my beating heart

1620
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:21,480
I'm shutting out loud baby this damn

1621
01:11:33,229 --> 01:11:29,630
I can tell when they're gone cause my

1622
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:38,330
but we know that it's not just a dream

1623
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:42,290
cause they never put me back exactly the

1624
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:43,190
same way

1625
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:45,300
[Music]

1626
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:47,890
and the pain is as real as a screen

1627
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:53,840
Souls might be the whole

1628
01:12:02,890 --> 01:11:55,320
[Music]

1629
01:12:06,189 --> 01:12:02,900
the highest sign

1630
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:06,199
chance is covered all

1631
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:13,390
I'm thinking about

1632
01:12:20,110 --> 01:12:17,300
how people can't get free from

1633
01:12:25,689 --> 01:12:20,120
mysterious Grace

1634
01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:25,699
getting just a bit out of hand

1635
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,300
we really just want to get back on with

1636
01:12:35,290 --> 01:12:31,679
the day

1637
01:12:42,110 --> 01:12:35,300
don't care about the hydrating

1638
01:12:46,340 --> 01:12:43,790
don't get too

1639
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,350
many arms

1640
01:12:51,229 --> 01:12:47,760
[Music]

1641
01:12:53,890 --> 01:12:51,239
no they came from the sky from out of

1642
01:12:58,729 --> 01:12:53,900
the Stars

1643
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:03,649
her I'm shouting out loud baby this damn

1644
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:25,810
[Music]

1645
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:30,850
thank you

1646
01:13:30,860 --> 01:13:35,950
so honey now

1647
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:42,110
don't walk into the skinny arms

1648
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:45,290
no they came from the sky from out of

1649
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:53,110
[Music]

1650
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,600
I'm shouting out loud baby this damn

1651
01:14:08,770 --> 01:14:00,400
life is